Municipal Election 2010

Bob Bratina's West Harbour Support Timeline

We've created an interactive chart that allows you to explore the positions of Bob Bratina on the Pan Am Games stadium location.

By Adrian Duyzer
Published September 08, 2010

Bob Bratina, Ward 2 councillor and mayoral candidate, has taken several positions on the location of the Pan Am Games stadium - so many, in fact, that we thought it would make sense to produce a chart.

Click here to explore Bob Bratina's West Harbour Support Timeline.

Adrian Duyzer is an entrepreneur, business owner, and Associate Editor of Raise the Hammer. He lives in downtown Hamilton with his family. On Twitter: adriandz

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By frank (registered) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 09:51:48

It's not Oct. 3 yet... It's predicting the future.

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By rayfullerton (registered) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 10:02:59

Great summary timeline. Clear example of "vacillation"!

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By obarkov (registered) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 10:07:38

Dates are not right

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By adrian (registered) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 10:12:13

frank, obarkov: the language the chart was written in (Javascript) uses 0 for January, 1 for February, etc., which is counter-intuitive because normally you would think of 1 as January, 2 as February, and so on. Thus, every date in the original version was one month advanced. This has been fixed - thanks for the feedback.

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By Pxtl (registered) - website | Posted September 08, 2010 at 10:17:49

I have a hard time arguing with Bratina about this actually. To my mind, he's been consistent throughout the process - he wants the stadium to be in the lower city of Hamilton, but isn't fond of the West Harbour. He wants to keep more lower-city locations on the table, incl. MIP and Confed. park (which is underrated as an option - taking part of that gigantic park is better than consuming employment lands, it could share parking with WWW... but it is kind of cut off from the city and has poor transit support). I still think knocking down Sir John. A is a terrible idea, though.

When the choice was between the West Harbour and other lower-city locations, he was pushing for those. When the choice became West Harbour vs. East Mountain, he supported the West Harbour because to him, keeping the stadium in the lower city is important. He's been consistent - he wants a downtown location, and is displeased with how quickly West Harbour pushed out all the other lower-city options. Every vote he's made has followed this logic.

But Fred's still got my vote.

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By jason (registered) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 10:37:55

from what I can tell, McHattie, Merulla and the Mayor are the only ones who have been consistent throughout this discussion.

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By Intrigued (anonymous) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 11:05:54

Not to sound too conspiratorial, but I find it convenient that Bob's WH support really took off once Vranich wanted to build in the area.

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By Desmond (anonymous) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 12:24:57

Jason, nobody should be applauded for being consistently wrong.

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By nobrainer (registered) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 12:49:32

How about consistently thoughtful, consistently goal oriented? As opposed to consistently panicky, consistently reactive.

Comment edited by nobrainer on 2010-09-08 11:49:57

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By mystoneycreek (registered) - website | Posted September 08, 2010 at 13:10:34

Speaking of timelines...

At the emergency Council meeting last week, it was mentioned (by whom, I don't remember) that there is a document showing the various listed choices for locations for the stadium going back to the 'beginning'.

Has anyone come across this? It's supposed to be available at the City's site...but I'm having no luck at all.

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By HamiltonFan (registered) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 14:04:41

mystoney, the site below might be what you are looking for, not sure, these are council reports on the bid. Note the space in the www part, have to do that from where I'm posting:

w ww.hamilton.ca/CityDepartments/PlanningEcDev/NewsUpdates/PanAm_2015/PanamCouncilReports.htm

This report that is in the above lists the 4 original sites:

w ww.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/7A8841D2-5409-4890-8BE4-AEA133D45DC1/0/Jan12PED08091bPanAmGamesBidUpdateJan609.pdf

Again, sorry about having to put a space in the link.

Comment edited by HamiltonFan on 2010-09-08 13:09:21

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By mystoneycreek (registered) - website | Posted September 08, 2010 at 21:21:46

Thanks, HamiltonFan. Much appreciated.

Will investigate and see if what I'm looking for is there.

Comment edited by mystoneycreek on 2010-09-08 20:22:27

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By Fleet Footie (anonymous) | Posted September 08, 2010 at 22:17:35

http://uploaded.to/file/v4jmzp

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By Ryan (registered) - website | Posted September 09, 2010 at 06:12:53

http://uploaded.to/file/v4jmzp

I contacted the City to ask about this. They're looking into it, but it doesn't look legitimate.

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By vod K (anonymous) | Posted September 09, 2010 at 06:31:46

2 things I hate about Bratina:

He has a narrow view of downtown- I heard him state more than a few times "there are 10000 people in Hess Village on a Saturday night but there's nobody downtown". He acts as if Hess is in Glanbrook or something! Same with his original notion that an East Harbour stadium would "cannabalize downtown business". So what is downtown? King between Bay and John?

He's Ronald Reagan without the actual leadership skills- Like Reagan, Bratina is the king at rolling out stories of the "good ol days" when Hamilton was a great city. Anything about Hamilton's past is positive. Anything about it present or future is negative. This appeals so much to people like my parents it's scary.

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By Yugoslav (anonymous) | Posted September 09, 2010 at 08:33:37

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By Yugo I Go (anonymous) | Posted September 09, 2010 at 19:52:36

The car or the person?

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