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Ticats Launch 'Go East Mountain' Website

By RTH Staff
Published July 21, 2010

In response to the success of the Our City, Our Future campaign calling on Council to honour the stadium selection process, follow the mandate of the Future Fund and listen to the will of Hamiltonians, the Hamilton Tiger-Cats have come back with a campaign of their own.

It's called Go East Mountain and it presents the Ticats' preferred location at the Linc and the Red Hill as the "financially responsible" choice. It also links some reports, including a list of recently-built MLS stadiums and an annotated summary of City reports on the West Harbour.

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By George (registered) | Posted July 21, 2010 at 20:57:52

Finanacially viable?

There are no details of the costs for that site, or how much public funding it will get?

Nor is it known what exacrly what will built there, and where exactly.

Financially viable?

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By reuben (registered) - website | Posted July 21, 2010 at 21:04:59

whoa. that site exists completely OUTSIDE of the no-spin zone.

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By F. Ward Cleat (anonymous) | Posted July 21, 2010 at 21:23:54

click on 'show your support' and be counted as a supporter, or DON'T and miss their spin. What are they afraid of an honest debate?

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By HamiltonFan (registered) | Posted July 21, 2010 at 21:25:04

We debate it a lot of cfl.ca, TigerCat fans or otherwise.

HamiltonFan - a proud Hamiltonian and proud TigerCat fan and supporter.

Comment edited by HamiltonFan on 2010-07-21 20:25:54

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By jonathan dalton (registered) | Posted July 21, 2010 at 21:33:11

What a f*cking joke. That they have the nerve to use the word 'sustainable' so many times when referring to the most distant, energy intensive site yet proposed. Of course no mention of the future fund or its mandate. NO East Mountain!

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By JM (registered) | Posted July 21, 2010 at 22:00:33

notice there is no tally on the number of supporters? (like our city our future has) ...what will this prove? they'll just make up a number anyways

JM

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By Pxtl (registered) - website | Posted July 21, 2010 at 22:52:05

You just have to remember whose finances we're talking about. Modern corporate culture is about short-term gain and getting what you can out of the support from the community. That's the east mountain site.

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By voice of reason (anonymous) | Posted July 21, 2010 at 23:09:19

This is absolutely horrible!! They have no running tally of supporters, which means they can make up ANY NUMBER at all! Pathetic! Show some courage if you're truly up for a grown-up debate, Bob! And at least be original for crying out loud.

However, I basically see 1 of 2 things happening now:

1. The city chooses the EM site, and Hamilton's downtown core is basically a write-off forever. People from the newly formed suburbs will always be too scared to come downtown. And the stereotype that Hamilton is a suburb of Toronto becomes a reality.

2. We get nothing, and we lost this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to restore Hamilton into something we can all be proud of.

Thanks Bob Young, thanks for (probably) destroying the city you claim to love so much.

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By JM (registered) | Posted July 21, 2010 at 23:11:06

I just saw an interview with Scott Mitchell on CHCH............ he said "they've been working hard for two years to come up with this site". really?? ...more like two weeks, and it wasn't even their work (thanks to Mr. Fenn).

Let's see how much hard work goes into 2 years of losing money on the EM.

JM

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By jason (registered) | Posted July 21, 2010 at 23:48:41

Shouldn't it be called "Their Money, Our Account" ??

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By HamiltonFan (registered) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 00:11:22

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By birdie (registered) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 07:11:25

"they've been working hard for two years to come up with this site"

It took them two years to set up a wordpress blog? And we're trusting them to know the best way to run the Ticats?

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By realitycheck (anonymous) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 07:26:57

Birdie, I think you'll find when they say they have been working two years on the site, they are talking about the stadium and not the website.

I notice the alleged "secret survey" is readily available on this site in PDF form.

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By birdie (registered) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 08:31:17

@realitycheck Then how come no one heard of this site until Michael Fenn proposed it just this month?

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By frank (registered) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 08:39:13

Take a read of the that "report" from 2003 titled "New Stadium Notion Doesn't Make Sense". Written by a person who hasn't been down to the area I assume. With "reports" like that loaded with inaccurate information and wild hyperbole, no wonder Bob Young is scared.

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By Ryan (registered) - website | Posted July 22, 2010 at 08:51:04

Take a read of the that "report" from 2003 titled "New Stadium Notion Doesn't Make Sense".

The report was written by John Kernaghan of the Hamilton Spectator, a journalist whose opinion of the West Harbour - and of urban revitalization in general - seems to have evolved in the intervening seven years.

A few other things have changed since then as well:

  • Cities in general are finally waking up to the fact that sprawl is not a sustainable development model.

  • Hamilton is on the threshold of getting high quality LRT that will dramatically increase transit access to the downtown.

  • James North and the surrounding area has made a remarkable comeback in that time (back in 2003, then-councillor Ron Corsini was still saying "Forget about it" to people who hoped the area would revitalize).

  • Back then, peak oil was a crackpot theory no one had even heard of. Now it's generally accepted, and North American driving rates have actually been falling for the past three years.

  • Back then, the Waterfront was just starting to turn around. Now it's a vibrant hotspot frequented by crowds of Hamiltonians engaged in a variety of activities.

  • Back then, the Red Hill Valley Parkway was the untested promise of automobile access to the East Mountain. Now it's a frequently-congested, frequently-flooded economic morass.

  • Back then, the sprawl housing bubble was just getting started. Now it's a continental glut of unwanted housing with a trillion dollar price tag that recently dragged the global economy into a sharp recession.

The age of suburban stadiums has passed.

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By Robert D (anonymous) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 08:54:21

The Ti-cats website has received some media attention, but I haven't seen anything on CH or in the Spec about OurCityOurFuture Did I just miss it? Have we tried to get some publicity from them?

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By Ryan (registered) - website | Posted July 22, 2010 at 09:12:17

I haven't seen anything on CH or in the Spec about OurCityOurFuture

I'm not sure about CH, but the Spec ran a page A3 article on July 14 and reported the press conference a couple of days later. Talk 820 did a radio interview on July 14 at noon, and 900 CHML covered the press conference.

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By AnneMariePavlov (registered) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 09:18:34

"I haven't seen anything on CH or in the Spec about OurCityOurFuture".

Well, on my walk to work this morning, I DID see the sign in front of Pan del Sole Bakery on John & Cannon had been changed to read "Yes to WH Pan Am Stadium, No to EM - go to OurCityOurFuture.ca". That made me smile!

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By LoveIt (anonymous) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 10:23:26

EM site design is ugly.

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By Your Money (anonymous) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 11:10:33

http://YourMoneyOurParkingLot.com

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By seancb (registered) - website | Posted July 22, 2010 at 17:24:45

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By Mr. Meister (anonymous) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 21:59:42

Ryan - You wrote "The age of suburban stadiums has passed."

If that is true it is a very recent event. The most expensive stadium ever built, Cowboys Stadium is definitely not downtown and it opened just over a year ago. In fact it is in Arlington not Dallas, just down the road from The Ballpark in Arlington. Does this mean that they are both doomed? Or just the city of Dallas? Downtown stadiums can and do work but, suburban stadiums can and do work too. Neither one is a precursor to the apocalypse.

The vast majority of fans get to Ticat games by car so parking is must for it to be viable. Look at the mess around Ivor Wynne on game days. Why create something like that on purpose? We can do better than that.

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By JM (registered) | Posted July 22, 2010 at 22:10:22

I'm going to miss that "mess around Ivor Wynne" ....I should at least once try to park on someones lawn before i lose the opportunity to!

JM

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By reuben (registered) - website | Posted July 23, 2010 at 14:40:20

looks like they have their supporter count up now, along with a "comment of the day". no full list of supporters yet -- so there is still a lack of transparency.

and i do like how the comment of the day is basically "ticats sponsored us, so we support whatever they want"

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By DL (anonymous) | Posted July 24, 2010 at 10:47:02

"Saturation" I've looked at the East Mtn. Site.It appears to be bounded by the Linc to the north,the Red Hill Express & Home Depot etc. to the east.It then is cutoff on the west side by Hydro property that contains huge towers servicing major lines running north/south thru the region.That leaves pedestrian access to the stadium via the south end only (Stone Church Road).I'm no expert in traffic flow, but that in itself sets off a big red flag.Pedestrian traffic is achieved at Ivor Wynne thru saturation into the surrounding area by at least three of it's four sides. The EAR as its been dubbed does not provide this.This site will be a hazzard to public and fan safety when 25,000 to 35,000,(and more during Grey Cup) are leaving the game, or function all by the exact same exit area within a short time frame.I have no doubt the land will not need any cleaning up as does the west harbour site. But if this is the location identified for the East Mountain then either major highways/ shopping malls, or hydro towers and lines should be moved to make this a suitable location.I know the Cats and City are in a bind for time but remember "Hast makes Waste".

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By DL (anonymous) | Posted July 24, 2010 at 10:51:23

"Saturation" I've looked at the East Mtn. Site.It appears to be bounded by the Linc to the north,the Red Hill Express & Home Depot etc. to the east.It then is cutoff on the west side by Hydro property that contains huge towers servicing major lines running north/south thru the region.That leaves pedestrian access to the stadium via the south end only (Stone Church Road).I'm no expert in traffic flow, but that in itself sets off a big red flag.Pedestrian traffic is achieved at Ivor Wynne thru saturation into the surrounding area by at least three of it's four sides. The EAR as its been dubbed does not provide this.This site will be a hazzard to public and fan safety when 25,000 to 35,000,(and more during Grey Cup) are leaving the game, or function all by the exact same exit area within a short time frame.I have no doubt the land will not need any cleaning up as does the west harbour site. But if this is the location identified for the East Mountain then either major highways/ shopping malls, or hydro towers and lines should be moved to make this a suitable location.I know the Cats and City are in a bind for time but remember "Haste makes Waste".

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By Cityjoe (anonymous) | Posted July 28, 2010 at 03:54:31

I'm going to post his here too. A few minutes into this radio interview, the author talks about the folly of allowing teams & owners to select stadium sites. He also later talks about the strange idea of putting NHL teams in the Deep South of the U.S..

(..sigh) An NHL franchise Could have been the new permanent tenant, if our bid had not been rejected! NHL season vs. 8? game CFL season.)

http://www.cbc.ca/q/episodes/

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By AP (registered) | Posted July 28, 2010 at 19:48:57

There is a connection between the future fund board and the backers of the most recent proposal to build along B ay st.

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By AP (registered) | Posted July 30, 2010 at 06:56:26

The backers of the Bay st condo site are still flying under the Radar with great Effort, I Trust.

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By cityborn (anonymous) | Posted August 03, 2010 at 19:25:49

Lets go with the East Mountain location-Bob Young is a Hamiltonian too and loves this city. He has taken a bold step to stand his ground against Freddy and his dreamers! I think the city councillors have been caught "assuming" that no one would argue with them. The East Mountain location reminds me of when we had Speedway Park up there and only Highway 20 & Mud st. to get there but we still had drivers from the States come over and the stands were packed. The idea that Bob Young is willing to build an Ampitheatre in the west end is fantastic- it seems to harmonize with the RBG, Bayfront Park and Cootes Paradise. The noise volume would not disturb too many home on the EM either.
I used to live by Ivor Wynne and had to put up with rowy fans after the game and beer bottles thrownand broken on the sidewalks and roads (even cursed at for not setting our driveway up for the games).
How come the City knew before hand that we had lost the Track and Field and didn't even seem to care until the papers got wind of it?
I love thse Tabbys no matter what!!!! Go Bob Young !!!!!

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