Special Report: Pan Am

Quick-And-Dirty Notes From Today's Committee Meeting

Bullet points on the presentations, questions and comments at today's council meeting concerning a proposal to renovate Ivor Wynne Stadum for use as a Pan Am Games and Hamilton Tiger-Cats stadium.

By Mark Richardson
Published January 24, 2011

Delegation from Lawrence Pattison, Save Ivor Wynne

Chris Murray, City Manager Presentation

Rob Rossini, City Finance Manager Presentation

Councillor Terry Whitehead

Councillor Brad Clark

Councillor Chad Collins

Councillor LLoyd Ferguson

Councillor Judi Partridge

Councillor Scott Duvall

Councillor Sam Merulla

Councillor Brian McHattie

Councillor Tom Jackson

(I decided this was the best time to take a Pee Break, didn't catch anything)

Councillor Bernie Morelli

Councillor Jason Farr

Councillor Maria Pearson

Councillor Whitehead, 2nd time

Councillor Clark, 2nd time

Mayor Bob Bratina

Councillor Pearson, 2nd time


Motion carries 10-6

Mark Richardson has lived in Hamilton since 1993. He is a Stationary Engineer and is one of Hamilton's many Industrial Nomads. He currently is employed at US Steel.


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By sbwoodside (registered) - website | Posted January 24, 2011 at 21:57:44

I'm pretty confused as to what this even means. What if HostCo decides that the stadium can't be reconstructed if Hamilton only puts in $45 million?

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By highwater (registered) | Posted January 24, 2011 at 22:08:43

I think RenaissanceWatcher answers your question here.

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By woody10 (registered) | Posted January 24, 2011 at 22:13:30

Should have got BY to step up and say either site would work before this last gasp. It was obvious it would cost more with a demolition and contingency (sp) plan, again, common sense. I am now getting pissed at the Cats all over again!

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By bobinnes (registered) - website | Posted January 24, 2011 at 22:17:40

I hope RenaissenceWatcher is right but fear momentum is still too strong to dismiss.

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By jason (registered) | Posted January 24, 2011 at 22:41:27

What does Bob Young mean by 'Best Efforts' in obtaining a Soccer team

Probably the same thing he meant when he said that Ivor Wynne is obselete, has no visibility, no parking and that the team can't make money there.

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By MattM (registered) | Posted January 24, 2011 at 23:44:11

The councilor comments are very confusing and don't seem to reflect the final vote at all. If I didn't know the final tally, I'd have figured they all voted against it.

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By Andrea (registered) | Posted January 24, 2011 at 23:56:14

Thanks for the recap. Much appreciated.

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By Correction (anonymous) | Posted January 25, 2011 at 00:17:29

Rob Rossini

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By hammy (anonymous) | Posted January 25, 2011 at 00:22:20

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By Wentworthst (anonymous) | Posted January 25, 2011 at 00:25:04

Great reporting of the raw details... I was in meetings all day today, and this was everything I wanted to know.

Thank you!

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By drb (registered) - website | Posted January 25, 2011 at 00:37:27

The MAJORITY want parking?!? I think the majority want nutritious food and a living wage.

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By woody10 (registered) | Posted January 25, 2011 at 20:27:26

Most of us wanted a new stadium downtown, only the sheep wanted it elsewhere. Big business can spin it good because they don't have to show proof of their incompetence.

Comment edited by woody10 on 2011-01-25 20:29:19

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By say what (anonymous) | Posted January 25, 2011 at 21:09:32

It's all perspective who the sheep are. Where I sit it isn't the Tigercat fans. Stop the name calling and you might be given some credit where credit is due. Its all the trash coming out of the mouths of downtown advocates that has poisoned their message to moderates

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By A Smith (anonymous) | Posted January 25, 2011 at 23:45:34

Just a note about our debt and ability to finance big projects...

As of 2009, Toronto's net financial debt was around $1,390 per resident. In that same year, Hamilton had a net financial surplus of $324 per resident. If Hamilton decides that it wants to build out the West Harbour, it could in theory spend $1,714 per resident, or $901M and only then would Hamilton match the debt levels of Toronto.

Total net assets/resident (including tangible capital assets)

Mississauga (city only) - $10,671,
Hamilton - $7,716
Toronto - $5,284
Portland - $4,202
Boston - $861
Detroit - $279,
New York - minus $12,923,

For those worried about wasting money on I.W., ask yourself how New York and Boston manage to function/thrive, even though their city balance sheets are far thinner than ours. What is the difference between Detroit and the other two? Is it possible to take on more debt and become more like NYC as opposed to Detroit?

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By woody10 (registered) | Posted January 27, 2011 at 14:09:35

say what = Baaa

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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